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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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dismal the sacred relics brother may not

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caddies within brother Manor 123 and his

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brother may not here to welcome you to

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another episode of the skeptic zone with

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your host Richard Saunders I am it

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doesn't that doesn't sound quite right

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we need dumb with Richard Saunders oh my

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god i'm visiting Maenads international

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studios to do the introduction to the

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skeptic zone and I was with Maynard last

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night for a maenad movie spectacular

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that was great thought it was the last

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of our screening series we've had a new

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castle called manado rama and it was

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Elvira mistress of the dark I don't

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think there's any skeptical angle

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whatsoever there are many angles but no

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skeptical angles but I love being at

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Maynard studios to do the introduction

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to the show and a bit of recording we've

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been doing other than that it's

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fantastic we're in there William Shatner

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and on this show oh boy why do I come

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here today okay on this show it's it's

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the show number 403 for the ninth of a

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don't I don't even know what method is

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ninth of July 2016 what happens when you

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with Maynard coming up on this week's

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show we're going to be talking about

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Noah's Ark all the replica of it in at

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Kentucky we're going to be interviewing

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Eugenie Scott who certainly knows about

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creationism and evolution and all that

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sort of stuff so yes they've built a

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full-scale replica of Noah's Ark in

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Kentucky Maynard would complete with

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cages of dinosaurs and it's been built

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explained that they they were the ones

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that had the great woodworking skills to

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do it and they've done it I just hope it

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doesn't rain a lot although I guess if

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it does rain lot it'll come in handy yep

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that's the place to be for trains or but

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land Maynard now this is where if you

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say the right thing to a police officer

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or you're in find yourself in a legal

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situation a you can declare yourself not

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a corporate entity and avoid prosecution

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and perhaps even taxes that's their

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thinking so when the police come calling

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for various fines or whatever they just

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protest and they say they're free and

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they don't have to obey the law it's

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really really quite silly look I once

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who has a car impounded for import tax

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actually owe him money which is an

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interesting way of looking at it and he

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corporation and stop becoming a

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sovereign nation that sort of thing and

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see what she does with that because it

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they're making that up so I'd like to

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find out with Shelly in folks if you

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Telegraph I think good for her and of

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weekly basis and the ones we're going to

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be looking at this weaker the Zen

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thinking podcast and the higher side

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chats you're always telling me about

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these podcasts and I haven't ever Liz I

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this time around so that's all coming up

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on this week's show may not but what a

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pleasure is to be in Maine artists

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studios I should come up here more often

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to do the show I think that's right you

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up a chicken beautiful and of course if

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people have time to get over to Maynard

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calm that are you what's coming up next

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week is an interview with kim wilde kim

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nothing skeptical about that except it

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could be saying what's she coming out

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for what's your coming out to sing and

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Howard Jones fan that's right you in

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about the tour so we've got Kim Wilde

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room and and remember that hats and so

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that's what I'm up to so if people go to

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they can catch up and they can also get

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some of those interviews that are all up

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anyone about anything at any time

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because frankly I'm a lonely sad man

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that means the show must start that's

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the way a lot of people are saying the

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cats the cats what about the skeptical

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cat's hand and more and how are they

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going there or are they when do they

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government's amazing check out their

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which is really good if you just go to

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youtube and look for the skeptics own

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going back eight years for example for

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and as I normally do at the top of the

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show Maynard why don't you and I walk

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in California dr. Eugenie Scott hello

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interview the seventh of July arc park a

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hug park in Kentucky has opened what can

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museum and those of us on our side of

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ark park because it rhymes better mom

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of the vacation sites that can a man

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answers in genesis have and they've just

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and spend your first day at the creation

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museum and then your second day at the

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wonderful time well just as we're

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website dances in Genesis dog and

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there's a big picture there I presumably

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taken in the last few hours of the

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opening and there are hundreds and

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hundreds of people there lined up and

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gathered around this colossal absolutely

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colossal replica of what they think well

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boat was like there's another picture

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shuttles in a road as comparison and the

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space shuttles head to toe in a row and

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this thing it's just hard to get your

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a huge effort no matter how you look at

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it oh yeah this is this is a mammoth

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that Ken Ham hired several hundred Amish

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seaworthy not because the prospects of

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it being see where they are very low but

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it's never going to have to float so I

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think they'll be fine i would say

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looking at it the prospects of it being

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seaworthy a zero but that's interesting

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i didn't know about the Amish people I

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think though it would be fair to say

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that many of the people if not all the

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people who worked on it had a fire in

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their hearts and thought they were

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really doing something incredible to

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promote their their religion or God or

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something like this yes I mean did to

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you know give Ken Ham credit he is very

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upfront about the mission of answers in

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genesis I mean he unlike the Institute

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for Creation Research which it tries to

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present itself is an essentially

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scientific organization Answers in

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Genesis has from day one and a you know

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Christian oriented ministry full stop it

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uses science to bring people to to Jesus

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and their their view but it's not

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primarily about the science at all it's

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really about the Christian mission and

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saving souls I mean I mean in the United

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States we feel very strongly about

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freedom of religion and freedom of

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speech and you know that's fine if Ken

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Ham wants to spend 100 million dollars

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building a replica of the ark to save

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souls well you know Blaze's art go for

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it that's your that's your freedom of

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religion in the United States there's

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been quite a controversy over the last

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attractions and businesses in the United

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States will do Answers in Genesis

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applied for a tax rebate from the state

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of Kentucky uh-huh many times as a way

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of encouraging businesses and

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encouraging the hiring of citizens and

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so forth states will offer tax rebates

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to institutions that

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us to hire people and build things in in

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the state this is not an uncommon

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activity when Answers in Genesis applied

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however this did raise some eyebrows

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because what would be happening is when

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the ark opens which is now the for a

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period of time the ark would not have to

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return sales taxes to the state of

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Kentucky which if it's as big as

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successes can have things that's going

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to be is going to be a substantial

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amount of money now like I say this is

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commonly done for businesses this is not

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an unusual activity what's unusual is

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that this break was being given to a

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straight-up religious organization which

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is runs afoul of another consideration

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in the United States Constitution which

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is that there is this hands-off

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relationship between religion and the

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state the First Amendment calls for

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neutrality between governmental

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institutions and religious institutions

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and many people believed that for the

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state to give a tax rebate to the two

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answers in genesis for the ark park was

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a was it was support of a sectarian

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religious view and there was a lot of

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objection to this unfortunately a

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federal district court judge last year

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ruled that this was in fact legal and

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the state of Kentucky did not appeal the

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case although I think they could very

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well have one on appeal but not that I'm

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a lawyer but these kinds of things

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generally don't fare terribly well

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however this there was a new

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administration that came in to the state

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of the governor's office in Kentucky and

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they did not want to pursue an appeal

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when they lost the case so there is not

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going to be an appeal so that one that's

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been the major controversy in terms of

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the united states that a lot of people

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don't really think that the state should

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be subsidizing religion in this fashion

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well that's an interesting

361
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and you gotta wonder of the mindset of

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some of the people involved in the law

363
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making decisions how swayed one way or

364
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the other there are economic

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considerations to but maybe if you think

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you're doing something right for God in

367
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the end anyway that sort of overrules a

368
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lot of other considerations but just get

369
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getting back to the structure itself

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which again just looking at photographs

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of it's just mind-boggling on the

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website they say that the the ark itself

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is whether the replica that is it's a

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510 feet in length and it's the largest

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free standing timber framed structure in

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the world now that's that's just mine

377
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snapping but I suppose what's even more

378
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mind step because once inside and

379
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actually I'd be very curious to see it

380
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for myself apparently you can see

381
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sections of it which are what you might

382
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have expected to see on the real are

383
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concluding the pins with dinosaurs yes

384
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indeed according to the creation science

385
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proponents God commanded Noah to take

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male and female of everything that has

387
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within it the breath of life so that's

388
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basically all land animals they didn't

389
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have to take finishin although of course

390
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if the ark if they flood was as violent

391
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as everybody says it was any sort of

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land any sort of ocean creatures would

393
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have been wiped out but let's not go

394
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ahead in the directive according to the

395
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creation science proponents was to take

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all male and female of all land

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creatures and in one part of the art of

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the Bible it says that God is that Noah

399
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is supposed to take seven pairs of every

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clean kind of animal and five pairs of

401
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every unclean kind of animal and people

402
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have pointed out that well obviously

403
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dinosaurs and mammoths and other extinct

404
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animals had to have been on the ark

405
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because they were all created at the

406
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same time as Adam and Eve were created

407
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and so they would have been wandering

408
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about when no I had to collect the

409
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animals and if you have you know whether

410
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as

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our pod is a clean or an unclean kind of

412
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animals five of them or seven you know

413
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five pairs or seven pairs is really

414
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going to fill up your hole in a hurry so

415
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there there's all sorts of wonderful

416
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ways that the creation science

417
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proponents have for for dealing with the

418
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space issues on the ark it's it's really

419
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quite marvelous they got around the size

420
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of the dinosaur problem I do you were

421
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going to ask her to know if by claiming

422
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that the Noah and his family only had to

423
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take juvenile or small sauropods and

424
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Tyrannosaurus and all the rest bigger

425
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the photographs indeed which are coming

426
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through on the on the various websites

427
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for the news outlets now because this

428
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story is creating interest i'm looking

429
00:18:54,010 --> 00:18:51,470
at a wonderful picture of a couple of

430
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little little baby sauropod dinosaurs in

431
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their wooden cage with children looking

432
00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:02,750
through in wonder yeah I'm not at all

433
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:06,110
surprised so Genia you are curious

434
00:19:14,830 --> 00:19:09,280
enough to visit the AH cure self hmm

435
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:14,840
well I mean I I'll probably visited at

436
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:16,490
some point or another just as a matter

437
00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:19,570
of you know professionally interested

438
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,540
yeah I mean you know this is studying

439
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:25,520
the creationist has been a fascination

440
00:19:30,130 --> 00:19:28,160
of mine for close to 40 years now so I

441
00:19:33,310 --> 00:19:30,140
did this you know clearly I gotta check

442
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this out and yeah I suspect ken ham

443
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would be delighted if I am sure that

444
00:19:41,620 --> 00:19:37,670
sometimes yeah you'll have to go in

445
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:41,630
disguise you have tanked oh no and that

446
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:44,090
doesn't work I know that's actually oh

447
00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:47,200
yeah the first time I went to the

448
00:19:51,580 --> 00:19:49,910
actually the second time the first time

449
00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:51,590
I went to the arc park i was actually

450
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interviewing ken ham for the BBC and

451
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this was just before it opened and we i

452
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:59,750
got got the i wasn't able to get a full

453
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:01,520
tour but i got to see some of it and

454
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then several months later i was at a

455
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paleontology conference in the city of

456
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Cincinnati which is not very far from

457
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the archive creation museum and the

458
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organizers of the paleontology

459
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convention up there

460
00:20:23,540 --> 00:20:21,900
had set up a field trip for anybody who

461
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is interested in going to the creation

462
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museum and of course they just got

463
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scores of you know paleontologists you

464
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:30,930
know just we're dying to see this

465
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because it's from the standpoint of a

466
00:20:37,610 --> 00:20:34,470
professional paleontologist you gotta

467
00:20:39,650 --> 00:20:37,620
admit this is pretty zany yeah so um the

468
00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:39,660
bus showed up and everybody piled off

469
00:20:42,890 --> 00:20:41,160
and I was kind of stalking around the

470
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edges because I was sort of hoping to go

471
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in incognito but it didn't work I mean

472
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,510
hamza creation museum has video cameras

473
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every place you know the safety cameras

474
00:21:01,460 --> 00:20:59,460
and somebody must have spotted me

475
00:21:04,690 --> 00:21:01,470
because after I'd been there for about

476
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:04,700
20 minutes or so you know two or three

477
00:21:10,820 --> 00:21:08,010
employees of the creation museum people

478
00:21:13,490 --> 00:21:10,830
that I knew from my relationship with

479
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them came to Jeanne it's so good to see

480
00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:16,020
you is so glad I how are you going to

481
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:18,870
come in you well so much for brilliant

482
00:21:24,490 --> 00:21:21,840
guy ganado back but yeah I mean

483
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:24,500
creationists are very gracious I mean

484
00:21:29,060 --> 00:21:27,450
these you know these I keep I keep

485
00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:29,070
telling people the creationists are not

486
00:21:33,260 --> 00:21:30,780
bomb throwers they're really very nice

487
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,270
people their major concern is that you

488
00:21:40,660 --> 00:21:36,000
get saved and they pray for you all the

489
00:21:46,340 --> 00:21:44,060
probably not but whatever III can't be

490
00:21:48,250 --> 00:21:46,350
good to that but they're they're all you

491
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:48,260
know they're they're genuinely

492
00:21:55,180 --> 00:21:52,050
interested in my my well being so so we

493
00:21:57,770 --> 00:21:55,190
had a nice pleasant chat and then I I

494
00:21:59,960 --> 00:21:57,780
turned down the opportunity to help them

495
00:22:02,090 --> 00:21:59,970
guide me through the museum since I

496
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:02,100
really wanted to go to myself rod take

497
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:06,090
my own pictures and yeah I had fun so

498
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:07,890
yeah I probably will go to the art park

499
00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:10,050
at some point well please keep and keep

500
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:13,320
me informed it was I can if I can get

501
00:22:17,180 --> 00:22:15,330
our local arc over to the over the

502
00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:17,190
Pacific I certainly would love to join

503
00:22:26,030 --> 00:22:22,380
you on a tour of a actually wow thank

504
00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:26,040
you for reminding me I'm going to be

505
00:22:32,899 --> 00:22:30,030
getting a an honorary degree in 2017

506
00:22:34,940 --> 00:22:32,909
from a Kentucky University and now

507
00:22:37,399 --> 00:22:34,950
you remind me i'll just work in a couple

508
00:22:39,739 --> 00:22:37,409
extra days on my state and make sure

509
00:22:43,219 --> 00:22:39,749
that I go up to get a tour of the Ark

510
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:43,229
park that sounds like a very good idea

511
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:45,210
but please keep me young keep me

512
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:47,369
secretly informed when that might happen

513
00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:50,159
no all they are similar I think it

514
00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:51,419
wouldn't be the highlight of my

515
00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:53,940
skeptical career to to an Ozark with

516
00:22:59,419 --> 00:22:56,340
Eugenie Scott I couldn't imagine but

517
00:23:02,479 --> 00:22:59,429
maybe well maybe we'll have to figure

518
00:23:04,339 --> 00:23:02,489
out some sort of a technological fix so

519
00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:04,349
that even if you can't be there with me

520
00:23:09,499 --> 00:23:07,320
I can bring a camera of some sort and

521
00:23:11,509 --> 00:23:09,509
patch you and the other food we'll have

522
00:23:13,789 --> 00:23:11,519
to get some of our some of our

523
00:23:16,219 --> 00:23:13,799
technology whizzes together to one

524
00:23:18,859 --> 00:23:16,229
figure that out this smells like you can

525
00:23:20,869 --> 00:23:18,869
ask questions and I can guide you

526
00:23:22,669 --> 00:23:20,879
through it sounds like that sounds like

527
00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:22,679
the deal that sounds great well Jeannie

528
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:24,659
wonderful to catch up with you I do look

529
00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:27,210
forward to hopefully one day swimming

530
00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:29,820
over and joining you for a tour of

531
00:23:34,879 --> 00:23:32,070
Noah's Ark and maybe we can both be

532
00:23:37,729 --> 00:23:34,889
amazed and we'll probably both change

533
00:23:40,249 --> 00:23:37,739
our minds I think once we see it well

534
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:40,259
it's hard to argue with the full-scale

535
00:23:45,259 --> 00:23:43,440
replica I mean when we went out now that

536
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:45,269
we can see it who would doubt in teeth

537
00:23:49,609 --> 00:23:48,210
but doesn't look terribly seaworthy to

538
00:23:52,249 --> 00:23:49,619
tell you the truth but what do I know

539
00:24:12,970 --> 00:23:52,259
but for now Eugenie Scott thank you very

540
00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:17,060
dr. Harriet hall md no into thousands as

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the skeptic a retired family physician

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and former Air Force flight surgeon she

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writes about medicine so called

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Harriet now has a free course a series

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of ten video lectures on science based

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medicine and alternative medicine the

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videos and an accompanying course guide

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can be found by following the link at

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skeptic info or by visiting web Randy's

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HTML topics covered in the series are

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pitfalls in research and science-based

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medicine in the media and politics

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Harriet covers each topic in a matter of

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fact no-nonsense way that shorter

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hello this is Shelly stockin and today

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00:25:59,250 --> 00:25:49,450
I'm going to talk about Freeman on the

565
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,260
land hey Dad a driver's license sir yeah

566
00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:02,400
okay this doggy to say for now

567
00:26:05,970 --> 00:26:04,540
corporations have names so that all

568
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:05,980
there's a name on your license so what's

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00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:08,410
the one on that that's colibri identity

570
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:10,090
so how would you like me to refer to you

571
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:14,410
as the light that's what I'm doing so

572
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:15,490
that's why I've asked you nicely just

573
00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:16,720
for your night I don't know your notes

574
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:18,070
under the road rules so I'm allowed to

575
00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:18,970
shoot in free so i don't really

576
00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:20,470
colleagues that they are and that's why

577
00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:21,700
I'm allowed to you're driving a motor

578
00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:23,230
vehicle on that highway and you were

579
00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:24,430
using your mobile phone which is an

580
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:25,870
offence under the road rules if you do

581
00:26:31,470 --> 00:26:28,740
carry out this fraud under maritime law

582
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:31,480
1912 full of passes will be visible

583
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:34,450
under habeas corpus and you will only

584
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:36,610
you'll be in debt for 3 billion dollars

585
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:38,210
or 20 pots of gold

586
00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:40,490
that was taken from Channel Seven's

587
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:43,220
highway patrol program in which police

588
00:26:47,530 --> 00:26:45,170
pull over a man for using his phone

589
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:47,540
while driving and the man provides a

590
00:26:53,050 --> 00:26:51,110
very unusual response at least it's an

591
00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:53,060
unusual response if you're unfamiliar

592
00:26:57,700 --> 00:26:54,710
with the Freeman on the land movement

593
00:27:00,280 --> 00:26:57,710
mmm how can I describe the Freeman on

594
00:27:02,830 --> 00:27:00,290
the land movement let me start by asking

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00:27:05,650 --> 00:27:02,840
you a question have you ever wanted to

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00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:05,660
be two people one version of you could

597
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:08,330
be the sensible law abiding one the one

598
00:27:12,820 --> 00:27:10,490
that works hard pays tax and takes

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00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:12,830
responsibility for your actions the

600
00:27:16,930 --> 00:27:14,690
other version of you could be free to

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00:27:19,030 --> 00:27:16,940
run naked around the countryside summing

602
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your nose at convention making your own

603
00:27:23,530 --> 00:27:21,410
laws and having a great time uninhibited

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by the constraints of organized society

605
00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:26,810
it sounds like a fantasy but if you're a

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freeman on the land it's real the

607
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freeman on the land movement otherwise

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known as f OTL or simply fertile has

609
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been around for a decade or so and stems

610
00:27:41,380 --> 00:27:39,230
from similar pseudo legal movements that

611
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aim to avoid paying tax or obeying the

612
00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:44,000
laws of a particular jurisdiction it's

613
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:45,590
not the first movement of disaffected

614
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:47,930
angry people to try and avoid the powers

615
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:50,330
of the state but it is my favorite and

616
00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:53,360
it is arguably the most ridiculous but

617
00:27:58,030 --> 00:27:55,790
that's my opinion let's take a look at

618
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what the fertile movement is what

619
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Freeman believe and how their beliefs

620
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:01,040
have been applied in the

621
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english-speaking countries where the

622
00:28:07,930 --> 00:28:05,150
movement seeks to thrive my first

623
00:28:11,170 --> 00:28:07,940
fertile fact the government is a

624
00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:11,180
corporation Freeman believe that because

625
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:12,950
governments undertake financial

626
00:28:17,770 --> 00:28:14,810
transactions and have credit ratings

627
00:28:20,530 --> 00:28:17,780
they are there for corporations my

628
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:20,540
second fertile fact laws aren't laws

629
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without a contract so because the

630
00:28:27,490 --> 00:28:26,060
government is a corporation Freeman

631
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:27,500
believe that it doesn't have the power

632
00:28:31,540 --> 00:28:29,810
or right to govern people or make laws

633
00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:31,550
unless it has a contract with each

634
00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:34,190
person in other words you have to agree

635
00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:37,220
to a law a tax or a fine in a contract

636
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:40,220
before that law tax or fine applies to

637
00:28:44,170 --> 00:28:42,890
you so you're fine because you never

638
00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:44,180
made a contract with the government

639
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,260
right wrong that brings us to my third

640
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:50,640
fertile fact your births

641
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:53,520
fickett is a contract when a person's

642
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,650
birth is registered that person is

643
00:29:00,550 --> 00:28:57,360
automatically bound to the government

644
00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:00,560
contractually or so frame and believe a

645
00:29:05,540 --> 00:29:02,820
birth certificate is a document of

646
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:05,550
ownership signifying the named parties

647
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:08,880
enslavement to the corporation it looks

648
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:11,010
like a nicely laid out record of your

649
00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:13,380
entry into the world but it is in fact a

650
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:15,750
contract that says you are now an

651
00:29:21,290 --> 00:29:17,700
employee of the government corporation

652
00:29:24,140 --> 00:29:21,300
and have agreed to abide by its laws but

653
00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:24,150
don't lose hope my fourth fertile fact

654
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,990
you can get out of your contract Freeman

655
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:29,520
proposed a method for breaking the

656
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:31,290
shackles of your corporate enslavement

657
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:35,820
in short you write a letter to important

658
00:29:41,060 --> 00:29:39,450
people and tell them to get stuffed the

659
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:41,070
letter is known as a notice of

660
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:44,220
understanding and claim of right its

661
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:46,260
function is to declare your freedom and

662
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:48,650
explain your own version of the law

663
00:29:53,540 --> 00:29:50,970
there are many examples of these letters

664
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:53,550
online with variations tailored to the

665
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:56,340
particular Freeman writing it usually

666
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:58,050
the letters include a list of

667
00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:01,440
understandings for example it is my

668
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:03,000
understanding that the Commonwealth of

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00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:05,220
Australia is a common law jurisdiction

670
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,610
whether people have sovereignty or it is

671
00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:10,620
my understanding that all law hangs on

672
00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:12,600
loving God and loving ones neighbor as

673
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:15,590
oneself or it is my understanding

674
00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:18,810
corporations are legal fictions these

675
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:21,180
so-called understandings can sound

676
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:23,700
pretty convincing if you ignore the fact

677
00:30:27,380 --> 00:30:24,840
that they're highly subjective

678
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:27,390
assumptions with only a tenuous link to

679
00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:29,570
legal reality once the freemans

680
00:30:33,980 --> 00:30:32,160
understandings are laid out the letter

681
00:30:36,290 --> 00:30:33,990
goes on to claim a series of rights

682
00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:36,300
based on those understandings that the

683
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:38,700
Freeman is entitled to some of the

684
00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:40,620
examples that are found online include

685
00:30:44,330 --> 00:30:42,870
the right to drive anywhere you want in

686
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,340
an unregistered vehicle without a

687
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:46,440
driver's license the right to charge

688
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:48,450
hourly fees for being questioned

689
00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:50,910
detained transported or incarcerated by

690
00:30:55,310 --> 00:30:52,760
police or other authorities and the

691
00:30:58,550 --> 00:30:55,320
right to copyright your own name and

692
00:31:00,380 --> 00:30:58,560
charged fees for unauthorized use once

693
00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:00,390
you've sent this letter to the Queen the

694
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:02,670
prime minister in the police published

695
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,810
it somewhere and carry

696
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:06,080
around with you you're officially free

697
00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:08,070
this brings us back to the little

698
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:10,230
fantasy we had going earlier and to my

699
00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:12,810
fifth fertile fact there are two

700
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:15,720
versions of you congratulations you are

701
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:18,930
two separate entities the first is your

702
00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:21,240
enslaved legal person who now exists

703
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:23,400
only in writing the writing on your

704
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:25,170
birth certificate on your electricity

705
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:27,720
bill in your driver's license the second

706
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:30,210
entity is the real you the actual

707
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:32,610
flesh-and-blood person who eats and

708
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:35,130
sleeps and listens to podcasts the one I

709
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:38,100
like to call the meat person this is the

710
00:31:42,140 --> 00:31:39,930
one at liberty to roam wild and free

711
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:42,150
across the wide expanse of nature and

712
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:44,970
probably through a few red lights my

713
00:31:51,050 --> 00:31:48,510
sixth fertile fact is your name is not

714
00:31:53,270 --> 00:31:51,060
your name now that you are two people

715
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:53,280
it's important to differentiate between

716
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:55,740
your legal person and your meat person

717
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:57,930
your legal person is usually expressed

718
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:00,480
in the traditional way Richard Saunders

719
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:03,330
for example this is the you that exists

720
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:05,370
on official documents usually in capital

721
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:08,310
letters so for the purpose of a podcast

722
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:11,880
wretched side as Freeman distinguish

723
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:13,410
their meat person from their legal

724
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:16,740
person by expressing their name as first

725
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:20,730
name of the family last name for example

726
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:23,340
Richard of the family Saunders as

727
00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:26,640
opposed to Richard's aren't as my final

728
00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:30,350
fertile fact is this some laws are okay

729
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:32,790
Freeman might be misguided fringe

730
00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:34,650
dwellers with legally interesting

731
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:36,660
delusions but they're not completely

732
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:38,970
devoid of standards most follow what

733
00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:42,120
they call common law which basically

734
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:43,830
states that you can do anything you want

735
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:45,720
as long as you don't cause harm or loss

736
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:49,080
to anyone and you try to be honest so I

737
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:51,960
guess driving blind folded is okay as

738
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:54,240
long as you don't hit anything so that's

739
00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:56,340
a very brief summary of what Freeman on

740
00:33:02,180 --> 00:32:59,460
the land movement is all about I guess

741
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:02,190
the only question left to answer is does

742
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:05,490
it work well let's take a quick look at

743
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:07,170
some successful frame in on the land

744
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:09,450
cases

745
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,080
and we're done there are no successful

746
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:15,120
Freeman on the land cases the whole

747
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:17,460
movement is based on outdated pseudo

748
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:19,320
legal concepts and good old-fashioned

749
00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:22,440
wrongness the best of Freeman can hope

750
00:33:27,639 --> 00:33:24,750
for is a judge throwing out there

751
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:27,649
fallacy filled case out of frustration

752
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:30,779
in reality many frame and have turned a

753
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:32,760
minor offense into a jail sentence

754
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:35,130
simply by refusing to engage in a legal

755
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:38,220
process in my opinion the best thing the

756
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:39,929
frame and on the land movement has going

757
00:33:44,029 --> 00:33:42,600
for it is its entertainment value if you

758
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:44,039
can find the time to look up some frame

759
00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:45,720
and videos on YouTube I highly recommend

760
00:34:08,750 --> 00:33:48,840
it you've been listening to Shelley of

761
00:34:14,730 --> 00:34:12,629
SI esta champion hey Sal who guys guys I

762
00:34:16,859 --> 00:34:14,740
just had the most amazing experience

763
00:34:18,329 --> 00:34:16,869
what experience unders unders have you

764
00:34:20,579 --> 00:34:18,339
been to the pub I told you not to hang

765
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:20,589
out with mash you know he was blessed by

766
00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:22,569
peter Popoff no yellow no i'm not

767
00:34:27,629 --> 00:34:25,540
talking about psychics it was a really

768
00:34:29,369 --> 00:34:27,639
SP experience now you have been to the

769
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:29,379
pub either that or you've been smoking

770
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:32,049
something no punches the ESB is the

771
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,540
European skeptics podcast it's the most

772
00:34:38,490 --> 00:34:36,879
amazing thing you get to know so much

773
00:34:41,339 --> 00:34:38,500
about skeptics and their activities

774
00:34:43,470 --> 00:34:41,349
across Europe you know event hot topics

775
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:43,480
and interviews with lots of interesting

776
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,970
people oh wow cool by the way pontus you

777
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,440
just committed the false dichotomy

778
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:49,839
fallacy I guess that means I'm really

779
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:52,690
wrong yep and you can even learn about

780
00:34:57,180 --> 00:34:54,730
those fallacies in the show and hear

781
00:34:59,460 --> 00:34:57,190
about people spreading silly ideas you

782
00:35:02,430 --> 00:34:59,470
should really check it out it's the ESP

783
00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:02,440
the European skeptics podcast its own

784
00:35:07,470 --> 00:35:05,140
never weak alright so where can I get

785
00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:07,480
this is the experience it sounds good

786
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:10,150
you can go online at the ESP door to you

787
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:13,210
follow it on twitter at es podcast

788
00:35:18,359 --> 00:35:16,240
underscore EU or like the podcast on

789
00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:18,369
facebook oh and you can also contact the

790
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:21,460
show by sending them an email to info at

791
00:35:27,329 --> 00:35:25,210
the ESPE you and if you want to

792
00:35:30,059 --> 00:35:27,339
subscribe do a quick search for the

793
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:30,069
european skeptic podcast on soundcloud

794
00:35:45,580 --> 00:35:33,480
itunes or stitcher

795
00:35:53,509 --> 00:35:49,990
here's my not spooky action at a

796
00:35:58,049 --> 00:35:55,769
welcome welcome welcome to Maynard

797
00:35:59,849 --> 00:35:58,059
spooky action at not such a distance in

798
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,859
fact we're coming to you live from Maine

799
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:01,839
aight international studios where we are

800
00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:04,450
in the shatner room with my special

801
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,670
guest Richard Saunders hello may know

802
00:36:09,690 --> 00:36:07,839
it's great to be here in your

803
00:36:11,759 --> 00:36:09,700
international studios in your own place

804
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:11,769
in the shatner room and as I look around

805
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:13,930
the studio here I see wonderful pictures

806
00:36:19,319 --> 00:36:17,200
of the man himself with dancing man the

807
00:36:21,269 --> 00:36:19,329
shot man with the on the set of Star

808
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,279
Trek there it's quite a room and you've

809
00:36:25,470 --> 00:36:23,440
got other homages to a pop that's right

810
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:25,480
culture and listeners at home Richard

811
00:36:29,339 --> 00:36:27,190
did not recognize that William Shatner

812
00:36:32,309 --> 00:36:29,349
was sitting next to Gemma Jamenson and

813
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:32,319
I'll let you work that one out and of

814
00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:34,990
course we may not intentional studios is

815
00:36:40,109 --> 00:36:37,990
a massive complex where all the main art

816
00:36:41,579 --> 00:36:40,119
archives are and we do some of our

817
00:36:44,309 --> 00:36:41,589
editing in that kind of stuff we are

818
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:44,319
surrounded by archives literally I'll

819
00:36:49,380 --> 00:36:46,089
just reach over to the right here and we

820
00:36:51,989 --> 00:36:49,390
can find the raging 80 CD which contains

821
00:36:54,329 --> 00:36:51,999
Wow Spandau Ballet the Human League and

822
00:36:55,650 --> 00:36:54,339
China crisis there's one you haven't

823
00:36:57,839 --> 00:36:55,660
heard for a while it hasn't been our

824
00:36:59,279 --> 00:36:57,849
political show and look what we hear

825
00:37:02,039 --> 00:36:59,289
today is people are always coming up to

826
00:37:03,809 --> 00:37:02,049
me aren't they Richard always yeah for

827
00:37:06,299 --> 00:37:03,819
one reason or another usually cuz I owe

828
00:37:08,099 --> 00:37:06,309
the money but I thought let's get into

829
00:37:10,380 --> 00:37:08,109
the way of thinking let's go into the

830
00:37:12,210 --> 00:37:10,390
way of maynard because you go well may

831
00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:12,220
not do you listen to as a podcast well I

832
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:14,470
listen to obviously a lot of ones that

833
00:37:18,269 --> 00:37:16,210
you that they would listen to course i

834
00:37:20,249 --> 00:37:18,279
love the geologic podcast i love the

835
00:37:22,499 --> 00:37:20,259
skeptics guide to the universe i like a

836
00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:22,509
theistic alee speaking I like the

837
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:25,390
Atheist Experience I like the skeptic

838
00:37:29,999 --> 00:37:27,609
rat they're just a few of the podcast I

839
00:37:31,710 --> 00:37:30,009
listen to but I like to listen to all

840
00:37:33,269 --> 00:37:31,720
sorts of things I like to be challenged

841
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:33,279
in fact I'm often going to Richard you

842
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:34,480
should listen to this and he goes on

843
00:37:37,739 --> 00:37:36,160
bloody well not and that's about as much

844
00:37:40,979 --> 00:37:37,749
as he swears ladies and gentlemen he

845
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:40,989
says bloody well not because I I go this

846
00:37:46,739 --> 00:37:42,609
is a great thing on this podcast and you

847
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:46,749
go no well you're doing a lot of long

848
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:49,480
travel quite frequently in your car or

849
00:37:52,499 --> 00:37:50,890
on the train so you get a chance to

850
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:52,509
listen to many many podcasts but I'm

851
00:37:58,109 --> 00:37:54,730
always interested to know what does

852
00:38:01,410 --> 00:37:58,119
maenad listen to so I thought we might

853
00:38:03,809 --> 00:38:01,420
in an ongoing semi occasional series for

854
00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:03,819
no apparent reason let's just see what

855
00:38:07,260 --> 00:38:05,950
may not listening too well

856
00:38:09,810 --> 00:38:07,270
here's one I thought well get you off

857
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:09,820
gently here now this is one that I would

858
00:38:13,530 --> 00:38:11,710
recommend for people who want a bit of a

859
00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:13,540
relax or something like that but I would

860
00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:15,430
say a lot of skeptics would go at PE

861
00:38:19,470 --> 00:38:17,470
which you shouldn't do that off the bat

862
00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:19,480
you should check things out it's the Zen

863
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:22,150
thinking podcast the host of these in

864
00:38:25,859 --> 00:38:24,490
thinking podcast is a guy who has I had

865
00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:25,869
a bit about a foot in rock and roll

866
00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:28,150
there for a while and he got into the

867
00:38:32,099 --> 00:38:30,040
Zen thinking podcast a while ago Brian

868
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:32,109
Thompson not to be confused with the

869
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,089
with the Brian Thompson used to be with

870
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,920
the skeptic yeah movement and there's a

871
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,599
couple of Brian Thompson's outlet it's a

872
00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:39,280
couple of Richard Saunders am I wonder

873
00:38:41,970 --> 00:38:40,540
if they're a couple of men are don't be

874
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:41,980
worried oh yeah well there's the one

875
00:38:47,069 --> 00:38:44,170
that's in tool and the way you work that

876
00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:47,079
out is that he is in tool I am a tool

877
00:38:52,589 --> 00:38:49,750
that's the way you work that out and he

878
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:52,599
makes wine I drink wine that's the way

879
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:53,890
you work at the difference between us

880
00:38:57,839 --> 00:38:55,510
all it all makes sense so what's this

881
00:38:59,700 --> 00:38:57,849
podcast about well Brian Thompson look

882
00:39:02,400 --> 00:38:59,710
he explains it quite well here Brian

883
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,410
Thompson he explains it i am a zen vegan

884
00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:04,960
poet living on a mountain by the sea

885
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:07,180
writing about how common state of being

886
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:10,240
non duality and infinity how common

887
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:13,980
state of being comma non duality and

888
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,450
infinity now I don't quite understand

889
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:18,880
the concept of non-duality I thought it

890
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:20,530
was directly involved to something

891
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:23,310
neurological as our friends on the

892
00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:26,560
skeptics guide yes explained but it's

893
00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:29,190
more of a philosophical thing um yes

894
00:39:34,319 --> 00:39:31,990
non-dual consciousness sir and I don't

895
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:34,329
really understand that but his poetry is

896
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:35,950
quite easy to my scent and he reads it

897
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:37,660
during the show but before we get there

898
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,430
just have a little bit of a listen to

899
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:41,920
Brian and I gotta say it's very relaxing

900
00:39:45,809 --> 00:39:44,170
i know a lot of the skeptics won't be

901
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:45,819
into this but just just let's just get

902
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:47,650
into the chi of the zen or however they

903
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:49,510
describe it let's have a listen to brian

904
00:39:55,410 --> 00:39:52,030
and and this is from episode 53 of the

905
00:39:58,559 --> 00:39:55,420
zen thinking podcast titled using self

906
00:40:01,500 --> 00:39:58,569
inquiry to quiet the mind or as i like

907
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:01,510
to say using self inquiry to quiet the

908
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:20,570
welcome back to another episode of the

909
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:23,640
Zen thinking podcast this is episode

910
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:27,180
number 53 and I'm your host Bryan

911
00:40:33,980 --> 00:40:31,110
Thompson from zen thinking dotnet how

912
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:33,990
are you thanks so much for swinging by

913
00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:36,770
and pressing play once again I

914
00:40:42,380 --> 00:40:39,480
incredibly appreciate you taking the

915
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:42,390
time to entertain these thoughts and

916
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:44,610
ideas and vibes and I'm sharing with you

917
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:48,450
and it's it's really cool that you that

918
00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:51,660
you're back for another listen so let's

919
00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:54,300
uh let's see where this one takes us

920
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:58,020
today shall we what I do here is I read

921
00:41:02,270 --> 00:40:59,880
all of the recent works that I've

922
00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:02,280
published on my website Zen thinking

923
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:05,430
dotnet and then I you know I I discussed

924
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:07,410
them a little further if it if I feel

925
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:08,940
that there needs to be further

926
00:41:18,590 --> 00:41:12,810
explanations so with that being said

927
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:18,600
let's just get right into it so as you

928
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:20,970
can hear brian has a beautiful voice a

929
00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:24,090
very relaxing tone and he reads his

930
00:41:30,110 --> 00:41:27,990
poetry and discusses it sure oh sorry

931
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:30,120
hello what oh I just drifted off there

932
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:31,530
for another greener look look for

933
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,710
example and look I hope I would respect

934
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:36,660
to Brian ah i will read some of his

935
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:39,510
poetry now taste an orange forgetting

936
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:41,940
its name do not reason with the

937
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:44,400
unreasonable your judgments of others

938
00:41:52,270 --> 00:41:48,240
are always your own self reflection the

939
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:52,280
mind in furs whatever the ego prefers

940
00:41:59,480 --> 00:41:55,760
decisions are the mines own invention

941
00:42:02,180 --> 00:41:59,490
decisions are the minds own invention

942
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:02,190
that which perceives never comes and

943
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:07,020
goes learning to not indulge the egoic

944
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:11,040
mind well widget why do you think that

945
00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:15,720
we know what does it mean i well Brian

946
00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:18,060
probably explains that so I can see

947
00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:19,560
where the the podcast would come in

948
00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:22,470
handy because frankly my tiny eight

949
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:24,030
brain can't get around that I apologize

950
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:26,970
Brian's beyonders well I I do like I

951
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:29,010
mean it is lovely and looked and there

952
00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:30,480
are some there's some very good

953
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:33,630
good ideas in that in each line taste an

954
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:35,010
orange for getting its name it's

955
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:36,900
actually quite deep I mean that that is

956
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:40,710
six words and a comma so taste an orange

957
00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:42,780
like you don't need to know that that's

958
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:44,940
called an orange to enjoy the experience

959
00:42:48,859 --> 00:42:46,650
of having an orange do you rich you

960
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:48,869
don't know how it is the name of it is

961
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,760
irrelevant it could be called a purple

962
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,560
it's irrelevant to me because I don't

963
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:54,480
enjoy eating oranges oh that's right if

964
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:55,740
you've got you've got an allergy to

965
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:58,020
citrus fruit well not quite but I don't

966
00:43:04,070 --> 00:43:01,380
enjoy them no he discovers the Zen of

967
00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:04,080
irritable bowel syndrome don't you okay

968
00:43:07,099 --> 00:43:05,670
not a good example but yes see that

969
00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:07,109
that's an example and see even then on

970
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:08,760
its own okay you might not agree with

971
00:43:12,830 --> 00:43:11,310
the Zen way of thinking or that's a

972
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:12,840
discussion or you might not agree with

973
00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:15,300
non duality or whatever but I think we

974
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:16,950
can all get the concept that an orange

975
00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:18,810
doesn't have to be called an orange to

976
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:20,700
taste that way so be Zen thinking

977
00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:22,890
podcast is this soothing tones with

978
00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:25,950
interesting poetry and and the next line

979
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:28,020
do not reason with the unreasonable look

980
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,660
I've been a DJ for 30 years the amount

981
00:43:34,070 --> 00:43:32,160
of people that have come up to the DJ

982
00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:34,080
box and asked for music that I'm never

983
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,780
going to play and they're drunk and you

984
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:38,880
cannot reason with the unreasonable

985
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:40,890
Brian I'm on the same page at you look

986
00:43:44,780 --> 00:43:42,450
I'd like to read something I wrote down

987
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:44,790
earlier here you're into poetry too well

988
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:46,440
no time well it's just something I wrote

989
00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:50,280
down earlier milk bread cigarettes on

990
00:43:54,490 --> 00:43:51,990
cigarettes are crossed out now that's

991
00:43:57,380 --> 00:43:54,500
ridiculous because I've never smoked I

992
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:57,390
forgot halfway through the list that I

993
00:44:01,460 --> 00:43:59,460
don't smoke I've also made a list over

994
00:44:05,060 --> 00:44:01,470
here I don't think this is bankers good

995
00:44:08,660 --> 00:44:05,070
at podcast as Brian's here we are men

996
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:08,670
without hats Lamar Berlin while one knee

997
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,460
real life Kim Wilde there you go there's

998
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:12,960
a list of 80s artists that i'll be

999
00:44:16,340 --> 00:44:15,000
working with over the next month there's

1000
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:16,350
a message there for us all i think

1001
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:17,490
you're going to be working with 80

1002
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:19,770
that's right yeah there's a tool yes is

1003
00:44:23,180 --> 00:44:21,450
at or near not yeah there's a to go

1004
00:44:24,859 --> 00:44:23,190
around australia called totally 80s and

1005
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:24,869
i'm going to be the emcee on stage with

1006
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,460
that that kind of thing and that would

1007
00:44:29,660 --> 00:44:28,560
be the opposite of a Zen night what will

1008
00:44:32,090 --> 00:44:29,670
be happening let me tell you they'll be

1009
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:32,100
no Zen going on what server it would be

1010
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:33,480
but I tell you what folks will link to

1011
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:35,550
that tour in the show notes and yes

1012
00:44:39,859 --> 00:44:36,930
thank you Brian that the Brian Thompson

1013
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:39,869
with the Zen thinking podcast and he

1014
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:42,060
explains all that stuff in in a way that

1015
00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:43,030
you may or may not agree

1016
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:44,080
then but it's certainly worth a

1017
00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:48,070
listening and I want a Tibetan singing

1018
00:44:52,770 --> 00:44:50,830
bowl that that brought well see i

1019
00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:52,780
haven't actually got a Tibetan singing

1020
00:44:58,890 --> 00:44:55,900
bowl but i do have a tap bill that i

1021
00:45:00,420 --> 00:44:58,900
stole from a front desk of a hotel in

1022
00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:00,430
Las Vegas where I had a great night so

1023
00:45:04,530 --> 00:45:02,470
it's kind of spiritual in a different

1024
00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:04,540
way listen to this okay let's see now

1025
00:45:13,759 --> 00:45:06,630
I'll read some of the stuff I've written

1026
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,230
that's profound yeah that was profound

1027
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:18,160
yeah and you know it's easy to remember

1028
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:19,599
not to buy cigarettes because I've never

1029
00:45:23,099 --> 00:45:21,970
smoked Betty so that's kind of good and

1030
00:45:24,029 --> 00:45:23,109
you feel good so it doesn't matter if

1031
00:45:26,430 --> 00:45:24,039
you buy something it's a little bit

1032
00:45:28,499 --> 00:45:26,440
naughty at the supermarket you know you

1033
00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:28,509
haven't bought cigarettes so you're

1034
00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:31,390
going to feel better about that but

1035
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:32,920
he'll look aldi's got everything now

1036
00:45:38,819 --> 00:45:35,890
it's very here and that's the Zen

1037
00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:38,829
thinking podcast and website as well

1038
00:45:42,539 --> 00:45:40,660
have a look there caps on brian's poetry

1039
00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:42,549
one other podcasts that I regularly

1040
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:44,920
listen to which is not going to put you

1041
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,569
in a Zen mood usually it's going to put

1042
00:45:50,549 --> 00:45:48,160
you in a bit of a worried mood

1043
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:50,559
occasionally a perhaps a conspiratorial

1044
00:45:54,989 --> 00:45:52,150
Moodle though I do not like to use that

1045
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:54,999
word i like to use anomaly and there's a

1046
00:46:01,049 --> 00:45:57,730
lot of anomalies in the higher side

1047
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:01,059
chats or as Greg car would the host

1048
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,569
likes to call it THC which just happens

1049
00:46:08,609 --> 00:46:06,880
to be the anyway we look we've you know

1050
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:08,619
what it is you know if you don't you

1051
00:46:13,259 --> 00:46:10,390
don't the high side chats it's a great

1052
00:46:15,329 --> 00:46:13,269
show I never miss an episode of it he

1053
00:46:16,739 --> 00:46:15,339
has a premium version so that people are

1054
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,749
pagan get a longer version the show and

1055
00:46:22,049 --> 00:46:18,880
a lot of people available so that has a

1056
00:46:23,609 --> 00:46:22,059
very interesting like Brian Thompson I

1057
00:46:25,229 --> 00:46:23,619
mentioned earlier who has these and

1058
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:25,239
thinking podcast he has a patreon

1059
00:46:30,809 --> 00:46:27,849
account like we do here fully it for the

1060
00:46:32,579 --> 00:46:30,819
skeptic zone and but Greg Harwood's

1061
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:32,589
taken a different path with this and I

1062
00:46:37,229 --> 00:46:34,210
think it's a very interesting one all

1063
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:37,239
the donations he gets every month half

1064
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:39,430
of those donations he gives away at

1065
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:41,650
random to a listener who's of subscriber

1066
00:46:45,509 --> 00:46:43,690
so you could be a subscribing to him and

1067
00:46:47,309 --> 00:46:45,519
suddenly you'll get half the money of

1068
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:47,319
all the donations he received that month

1069
00:46:50,849 --> 00:46:49,089
because of the Money bomb I think I

1070
00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:50,859
first I was worried that it wasn't a

1071
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:52,390
sustainable model and you think well if

1072
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:53,710
he didn't do that he'd get double his

1073
00:46:57,479 --> 00:46:56,049
money but it's a way of directly giving

1074
00:46:59,400 --> 00:46:57,489
something back to his listeners that

1075
00:47:01,319 --> 00:46:59,410
subscribe and also a lot of them often

1076
00:47:03,479 --> 00:47:01,329
end up buying some of his t-shirts or

1077
00:47:04,829 --> 00:47:03,489
his merchandise anyway it sounds like an

1078
00:47:05,849 --> 00:47:04,839
interesting business model I don't think

1079
00:47:07,859 --> 00:47:05,859
it's one the skeptic general be

1080
00:47:09,329 --> 00:47:07,869
following at the moment but however yeah

1081
00:47:11,789 --> 00:47:09,339
yeah I look it's the only one that does

1082
00:47:15,779 --> 00:47:11,799
and I think I think it's a unique idea

1083
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:15,789
and he has the best introductions for

1084
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:18,609
most there's two podcasts I know that

1085
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:20,710
have the most thorough introductions

1086
00:47:25,410 --> 00:47:23,440
Greg Carr Ward on the high side chats is

1087
00:47:26,820 --> 00:47:25,420
one of them the other one is gilbert

1088
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,830
godfree's incredibly

1089
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:29,200
loss or podcast in fact if you just

1090
00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:31,030
listen to Gilbert Gottfried's incredible

1091
00:47:34,590 --> 00:47:33,070
colossal podcast introduction of the

1092
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:34,600
person he's about to interview you

1093
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:36,250
really probably don't need to listen to

1094
00:47:39,660 --> 00:47:38,050
the interview because it usually goes

1095
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:39,670
for about a minute and lists everything

1096
00:47:45,830 --> 00:47:42,310
they've done similarly Greg Carr wood

1097
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:45,840
has well written structured funny

1098
00:47:50,310 --> 00:47:48,370
informative introductions that I always

1099
00:47:52,650 --> 00:47:50,320
really enjoy now love the skeptics

1100
00:47:55,260 --> 00:47:52,660
listen will probably not be on board

1101
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:55,270
with um look probably none of the topics

1102
00:47:59,700 --> 00:47:58,330
that he covers and maybe sometimes the

1103
00:48:02,010 --> 00:47:59,710
evidence for some of the things that are

1104
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:02,020
discussed could be described as scanned

1105
00:48:07,380 --> 00:48:05,230
but I love listening this [\h__\h] scanned

1106
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,390
what's wrong with scared no no it's a

1107
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,800
good word I think you write some of the

1108
00:48:12,570 --> 00:48:10,720
things he discusses we're just looking

1109
00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:12,580
at the website now and one of one of the

1110
00:48:19,710 --> 00:48:16,390
items is nestled eyes well yeah look and

1111
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:19,720
also he writes in his About section for

1112
00:48:23,790 --> 00:48:21,570
the high side chats he talks about

1113
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:23,800
podcasting in general and some of the

1114
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:25,450
ones that tend to deal with anomalies

1115
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:27,610
and the paranormal and he says there's a

1116
00:48:31,050 --> 00:48:29,290
lot of problems with love the paranormal

1117
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:31,060
and conspiratorial podcast because they

1118
00:48:36,030 --> 00:48:33,240
suffer from poor audio quality

1119
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:36,040
unnecessary fear-mongering / yelling

1120
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:38,230
I'll go along with that Allen Jones in

1121
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:39,490
particular I think he's talking about

1122
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:42,130
their lengthy off-the-cuff introductions

1123
00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:43,450
that stall the interview which is

1124
00:48:47,610 --> 00:48:45,670
correct his maybe sometimes lengthy but

1125
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:47,620
they're certainly to the point and very

1126
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:50,110
educational and the same five corporate

1127
00:48:52,770 --> 00:48:51,640
ads in every episode that's right i mean

1128
00:48:54,690 --> 00:48:52,780
a lot of us are a little bit sick of

1129
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:54,700
bear hearing from audible all the time

1130
00:48:59,220 --> 00:48:56,290
in fact I'm surprised you even got on

1131
00:49:01,170 --> 00:48:59,230
board with that hi it has crossed my

1132
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:01,180
mind but at the moment we're not taking

1133
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:02,770
paid advertising that might change in

1134
00:49:07,410 --> 00:49:05,170
the future but right now no and also the

1135
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,420
episodes are very very well edited and

1136
00:49:10,650 --> 00:49:08,800
the sound quality is fantastic so you

1137
00:49:12,570 --> 00:49:10,660
know look I give 10 points like I said

1138
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:12,580
other skeptics won't go into it but even

1139
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:15,910
Greg Carr would does topics from time to

1140
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:18,010
time that his listeners that are very

1141
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:20,410
much into anomalies of all sorts don't

1142
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,910
want to have any truck with and here's

1143
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:23,920
one from an episode where we interviewed

1144
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:25,690
Marty leads and it was all about well

1145
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:27,790
look I'll it I'll let Greg introduce

1146
00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:31,450
this and I got to say I sure this is out

1147
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:34,420
there but this is why I listened to the

1148
00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:43,340
you really do that's true doctor says uh

1149
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,630
g

1150
00:49:49,640 --> 00:50:02,940
to us

1151
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:05,310
alright folks we know deception runs

1152
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:07,390
deep and we try to hold all our accepted

1153
00:50:10,620 --> 00:50:08,650
truths up to the light and make sure

1154
00:50:13,170 --> 00:50:10,630
they check out but the most far-out idea

1155
00:50:15,210 --> 00:50:13,180
the most polarizing possibility that

1156
00:50:17,010 --> 00:50:15,220
we've ever really tackled here has got

1157
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:17,020
to be the flat earth episode with Eric

1158
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:19,210
Dube since that show I've had many

1159
00:50:22,380 --> 00:50:20,650
people write me to say that they've

1160
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:22,390
stopped listening after wasting their

1161
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:24,490
time with such a ridiculous concept I've

1162
00:50:27,810 --> 00:50:26,410
had plus members canceled because that

1163
00:50:29,730 --> 00:50:27,820
episode changed their life for the

1164
00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:29,740
better and it's become their sole topic

1165
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,630
of interest and I've lost potential

1166
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:33,040
guests because they couldn't be

1167
00:50:36,510 --> 00:50:34,210
associated with a show that even

1168
00:50:38,550 --> 00:50:36,520
discussed such a thing so I figured why

1169
00:50:40,290 --> 00:50:38,560
not make more trouble for myself and do

1170
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:40,300
it again because Marty leads another

1171
00:50:44,490 --> 00:50:42,730
previous THC guest one of the few that

1172
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,500
I'd call a friend now and a researcher I

1173
00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:46,960
really respect said off to disprove that

1174
00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:49,180
ludicrous Flat Earth fallacy and found

1175
00:50:53,069 --> 00:50:51,430
that he really couldn't it since become

1176
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:53,079
a bigger part of his paradigm his

1177
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:54,970
spiritual journey and the amazing stuff

1178
00:50:59,370 --> 00:50:56,650
you can find on his website at Marty

1179
00:51:00,990 --> 00:50:59,380
leads 33.com along with the four books

1180
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:01,000
he's written in his kick-ass music

1181
00:51:05,790 --> 00:51:03,250
ladies and gentlemen my go-to gematria

1182
00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:05,800
guru effervescent and always pleasant

1183
00:51:10,410 --> 00:51:07,240
Marty my man welcome back to the higher

1184
00:51:12,359 --> 00:51:10,420
side hey thanks man yeah pleasure to

1185
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:12,369
have you it's always lovely insurance

1186
00:51:16,890 --> 00:51:15,490
dude oh I love it take to the point in

1187
00:51:19,230 --> 00:51:16,900
there and I just love the fact that

1188
00:51:22,770 --> 00:51:19,240
he'll tackle any topic and he'll do it

1189
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:22,780
with aplomb we have not I don't think

1190
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:24,609
covered the flat earth on the skeptics

1191
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:26,290
on main on well it's kind of hard

1192
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,329
because if you got anyone on that was

1193
00:51:32,099 --> 00:51:30,640
into it you would immediately well you

1194
00:51:33,390 --> 00:51:32,109
have a worse problem that great car

1195
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:33,400
would had their I mean the big people

1196
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:35,530
really complaining on your show there

1197
00:51:38,550 --> 00:51:36,970
would be all those from time to time

1198
00:51:41,130 --> 00:51:38,560
especially some of the interviews you do

1199
00:51:43,230 --> 00:51:41,140
we do interview people who are of the

1200
00:51:45,300 --> 00:51:43,240
completely other opinion in science and

1201
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:45,310
reason but it's done in such an

1202
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,930
interesting way because we tease out

1203
00:51:50,370 --> 00:51:48,400
what they're really thinking have you

1204
00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:50,380
actually have you even had any people on

1205
00:51:55,890 --> 00:51:52,180
that even bring up the Hollow Earth

1206
00:51:58,140 --> 00:51:55,900
theory only you oh that's me I and I

1207
00:52:00,180 --> 00:51:58,150
also bring up the hologram theory as

1208
00:52:02,329 --> 00:52:00,190
well which no one's on board with and I

1209
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:02,339
know we have people that understand

1210
00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:04,510
theoretical physics where that where

1211
00:52:09,150 --> 00:52:07,240
some of the calculations might hint at

1212
00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:09,160
what we actually live in is a

1213
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,420
three-dimensional projection from a

1214
00:52:14,730 --> 00:52:13,119
two-dimensional object but I'm yet to

1215
00:52:15,630 --> 00:52:14,740
meet those people because everyone just

1216
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:15,640
goes

1217
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:19,030
walk away do they yeah they do that is

1218
00:52:21,570 --> 00:52:20,290
what happens with over the skeptic

1219
00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:21,580
meeting and I'll try and get someone to

1220
00:52:26,010 --> 00:52:24,280
talk about this it's and i also got

1221
00:52:28,590 --> 00:52:26,020
someone to try and explain Planck time

1222
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:28,600
to me and either people go no i haven't

1223
00:52:32,340 --> 00:52:30,730
got time to do i haven't got to the time

1224
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:32,350
i haven't got put i haven't got Planck

1225
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:34,930
time for you and you and all they have

1226
00:52:38,610 --> 00:52:37,450
and i don't understand it in fact I

1227
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,620
probably got a better chance of

1228
00:52:42,570 --> 00:52:40,240
understanding Brian Thompson's

1229
00:52:44,460 --> 00:52:42,580
non-duality that I have of what Planck

1230
00:52:46,050 --> 00:52:44,470
time is so this is how you spend your

1231
00:52:47,790 --> 00:52:46,060
time Maynard when you're not doing

1232
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:47,800
Maynard things you're listening to these

1233
00:52:55,110 --> 00:52:50,650
sort of podcasting that and pulling my

1234
00:52:56,250 --> 00:52:55,120
rubber chicken well hello what what you

1235
00:52:59,250 --> 00:52:56,260
think I've just got a rubber chicken all

1236
00:53:00,930 --> 00:52:59,260
for nothing it makes a sound well that's

1237
00:53:04,620 --> 00:53:00,940
that's a few the things I listened to so

1238
00:53:06,450 --> 00:53:04,630
that's the high side chats and the Zen

1239
00:53:19,410 --> 00:53:06,460
thinking podcast just two things that

1240
00:53:23,980 --> 00:53:22,000
how much truth is there to claims of

1241
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:23,990
risk caused by the treatment of beef

1242
00:53:28,180 --> 00:53:26,330
cattle with antibiotics I'm Tamra

1243
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:28,190
Robertson and you're hooked up to the

1244
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:34,130
feeding tube the feeding tube is the web

1245
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:36,290
video series that brings you the real

1246
00:53:41,860 --> 00:53:39,410
facts behind popular food myths food

1247
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:41,870
whoo is the most pervasive pop

1248
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:44,210
pseudoscience out there right now and it

1249
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:46,730
desperately needs debunking each three

1250
00:53:51,490 --> 00:53:48,710
minute episode is suitable for general

1251
00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:51,500
audience and is produced by scientists

1252
00:54:10,690 --> 00:53:54,620
for everyone the feeding tube check it

1253
00:54:18,979 --> 00:54:13,579
nah well it looks like it's the end of

1254
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:18,989
the show here come on look I can't look

1255
00:54:23,180 --> 00:54:21,089
all good things come to an end and so

1256
00:54:25,999 --> 00:54:23,190
does the skeptics own skeptic so that's

1257
00:54:27,259 --> 00:54:26,009
it well the crowd don't like it when it

1258
00:54:28,699 --> 00:54:27,269
coming down thank you everybody for

1259
00:54:30,529 --> 00:54:28,709
listening to the skeptic zone this week

1260
00:54:32,959 --> 00:54:30,539
may not thank you for having hosting me

1261
00:54:34,910 --> 00:54:32,969
indeed in your wonderful main art

1262
00:54:36,140 --> 00:54:34,920
studios in the Shatner room it's been

1263
00:54:38,269 --> 00:54:36,150
great having you in the Shatner room

1264
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,279
after you go i'm going to lapse into the

1265
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:40,319
hefner room and then i'll be out on the

1266
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,910
footpath shortly after that oh coming up

1267
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:46,440
on the skipping zone in the coming weeks

1268
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:47,880
actually I'm not very sure Maynard you

1269
00:54:50,539 --> 00:54:48,900
know you know what it's like in the

1270
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:50,549
skipper exam we're never quite sure week

1271
00:54:53,089 --> 00:54:51,690
to week what we're going to have coming

1272
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:53,099
up next well it's a hand-to-mouth

1273
00:54:56,989 --> 00:54:55,410
existence which means you keep eating

1274
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:56,999
your fingers a lot so if any of you

1275
00:55:00,559 --> 00:54:58,410
could possibly see your way to go to

1276
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:00,569
patreon and support the skeptic zone

1277
00:55:04,249 --> 00:55:02,609
that would be great Richard need your

1278
00:55:05,779 --> 00:55:04,259
money think of those kittens people

1279
00:55:08,269 --> 00:55:05,789
think of those kittens they need

1280
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:08,279
cardboard boxes to play in and they

1281
00:55:11,059 --> 00:55:09,690
don't come cheap because you have to at

1282
00:55:12,469 --> 00:55:11,069
least pretend you're buying something at

1283
00:55:14,660 --> 00:55:12,479
the supermarket when you go there to get

1284
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:14,670
them I use a lot of money pretending to

1285
00:55:18,859 --> 00:55:16,650
buy things i can get cardboard boxes for

1286
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:18,869
the kids no folks your contributions by

1287
00:55:24,620 --> 00:55:22,140
a patreon or paypal it skipped exam TV

1288
00:55:26,329 --> 00:55:24,630
simply mean the show keeps going that's

1289
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:26,339
the bottom line the bottom line Maynard

1290
00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:28,529
is the bottom line yeah amia cuz I mean

1291
00:55:32,209 --> 00:55:30,180
because we just got stuff to save up for

1292
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:32,219
of course it there's a possible trip he

1293
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:34,140
might have to take to Melbourne for the

1294
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:35,400
skeptics conference at the end of the

1295
00:55:39,019 --> 00:55:36,569
year where do you think that money comes

1296
00:55:40,819 --> 00:55:39,029
from sure he can rob people in dark

1297
00:55:42,589 --> 00:55:40,829
alleys but that I tried it didn't work

1298
00:55:43,969 --> 00:55:42,599
and but you don't do that once or twice

1299
00:55:45,709 --> 00:55:43,979
a year then you have people like Batman

1300
00:55:47,630 --> 00:55:45,719
chasing yeah yeah yeah you know that

1301
00:55:49,279 --> 00:55:47,640
going on there but look all that Richard

1302
00:55:50,749 --> 00:55:49,289
sign off here cuz I'm just I'm going to

1303
00:55:52,729 --> 00:55:50,759
go look down the back of the couch and

1304
00:55:55,309 --> 00:55:52,739
see what I can give to skip yep zone on

1305
00:55:58,099 --> 00:55:55,319
patreon right now it might not be money

1306
00:56:00,709 --> 00:55:58,109
I don't want to know what's the back of

1307
00:56:02,359 --> 00:56:00,719
your couch Bedford this week this is

1308
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,369
Maynard and Richard Saunders signing off

1309
00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:04,559
from the Maynard international studios

1310
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:14,460
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